Bird on the wire
03:54 21-02-2006
Сижу, уже ржу во весь голос. =)))))

Народ ругается по поводу того, что Уллие хороший молодой Лектер (ну, или хотя бы дайте ребёнку шанс сыграть молодого Лектера)/Уллие нифига ни Лектер.
Дошли до того, что одна сторона говорит, что Уллие офигительно похож на Хопкинса в молодости (а там перечислялись такие вещи как уши и цвет глаз =)), другая сторона соответственно ржёт.

И я тоже ржу.
А вот другая сторона обижается. =)

Хотя, у "другой стороны" тоже есть хорошие камни в наш огород. Например, по поводу того, что Хопкинс тоже нифига не Лектер, а моя сторона хотИт актёра _похожего_ на Хопкинса.
И знаете, есть свои резоны. (Да, я признаю, что с книжным Лектером Хопкинс внешне НЕ схож, но как играет, как играет!!!)Только когда "другая сторона" начинает кидаться не доводами, а тем, что лично знакома с Хопкинсом, а Харрис с глазу на глаз рассказывал как продвигается книга и подмигивал в нужных местах, то желание общаться проподает.
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Bird on the wire
01:57 24-02-2006
Для памяти. Печатаю то, что было к тому моменту, когда я пришла.
К сожалению, под конец дискуссии, как обычно, скатились к оскорблениям. =(

by - lucasaccardo (Mon Jan 2 2006 12:43:27 )
Wow , somethimes hollywood you know, it just leave me without words...
I don't mean my crappy english since i'm argentinian, i mean that i was just checking out those new pics of this guy playing Hannibal and it's so wrong i mean , i can't begin to understand how somone at some point looked at this guy and thought"hey,we got him"
I know ,I know nobody's thinking in nothing but make money here including Thomas Harris, and thay cast this guy who's handsome and some how that's gonna make a better profit that casting somone that actually looks like a Young Hopkins...but man it really is depressing.I relay liked the caracter .
I love cinema but this people here that cast Brandon Routh to play Superman or Micheal Keaton Cloney Kilmer to play Batman or Bale for wht it matters,are really making one hell of an effort to screw everithing up
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by - lucasaccardo
Let's not even go in how much bul lshi t the oscars and prizes alike are
( i mean gladiator has an oscar for best movie...enough said)
This guy colud have won anithing it dosen't matter he looks so different from Hopkins that the face alone will not allow me to enjoy the movie, as did Moore in the role of Clarice.
he looks Nothing like hannibal Lecter, nothing not even slightly.
That's it , casting him it is as bad as start as one could get.
I don't know if i make myself undestand here, i am not questioning his actor skills.
thanks for reply.
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by - jon-davis_freak (Tue Jan 3 2006 04:42:31 )
Well, the movie is about Young Hannibal Lecter (which is actually a novel character) and not about young Hopkins.
I've read the books and I can see Ulliel as Lecter, very much.

He is a good actor and I don't give a damn if he looks like Hopkins or not.

People should give Gaspard a chance, at least.
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by - lucasaccardo
What is it ehit this People should give Gaspard a chance?? Who Is Gaspard? Why Do you call him by his first name ? Is he your brother or something?
This IS a movie about young Hopkins since they have already state that Hopkins is the face of Lecter,and that's what stuck whit us and what people know since actualy before of the Silence nobody knew about Lecter and the only movie about him was that Micheal Man crap Manhunt or Manhunter , i wont even bother to check that out.
So Hopkins is what they impose as Lecter, and this guy even if he acts better than Brando,Pacino and Duvall put togheter has nothing to do playing him.
My only hope is that a one point the caracter grows up and changes actor, but fat chance since this guy is so popular and as already the stuts of a big star.
Jesus...i can imagine already this pretty kid putting faces as he was insane and stuff like that picture whit a cord and the other one whit that tool that i can't remember the name...it dosen't work for me at all.
Well,excuse my lame english once again.
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by - jon-davis_freak
For me Hopkins is NOT the face of Hannibal Lecter and why shoult he? He is just a (wonderful) actor. The book came out first not the movie. It's the same with Harry Potter. Radcliffe fits him quite well, but he is not "my" Potter. Same with Lecter. Some peope just don't see Lecter as Hopkins, get over it. -_-

You should read the books, Lecter is described as a slender man with a fine- featured face. I love Hopkins but he looks nothing like that in Hannibal or Red Dragon.

And Manhunter is a very good movie, you should give it a try, just like you should give Ulliel a chance to prove himself.
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by - lucasaccardo
I read all the Books , i've seen Manhunter ,Of course i know that the books came before of the movies,the description of Hannibal is always very vague.

And that do not even matters,because we are talking about a precuel of the triology of the movies , with Hopkins,that's what i am talking about ,
This movie happends several years before the first (actually the third) of three movies known by anyone to have a main caracther played by Hopkins.
So this is a movie that happens before other movies and the main caracther should look the same, it is a pretty common thing what i'm saying.

Besides if you check out the first options that studios had to play lecter in both Manhunter and Silence, you can see that there is a pattern (Duvall,Hackman).And Ulliel is way out of that send, since he looks like a fashion model too handsome and pretty to represent a young psycho( or will be psycho).
He is not Lecter just like Nicolas Cage was never gonna be Superman or Keaton Batman.

By the way i am surpised about how everybody says things like "Give Gaspard a chance" "give Ulliel a chance to prove himself" ,hey, we are in no position to give nobody chances, this guy and the producers are gonna do whatever they want to do and walk away paked whit money ,so don't worry he'd be fine, i am just a movie goer who gives an opinion it's not like we are talking about world peace here, i think it's a horrible idea to cast him ,anyhow i am gonna see this movie just like i went to see Red Dregon...and that sucked big time.
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by - gary10711
Ulliel has the same eye color as Hopkins, the exact same ears (very large) and same hair as Hopkins did at that age..maybe a tad lighter but barely. I have a sister who lives in Wales and knows Hopkins personally. Who would the haters have "cast" as a YOUNG Lecter? I am thrilled to death that they went with someone who can act.
Try and find a picture of Hopkins in his late teens early twenties. It is close to impossible. You have to take Hopkins back nearly FIFTY years. This film is NOT about him. It is about YOUNG Hannibal Lecter. And by the way, Harris is not in this for the money. I had the honor of meeting him at the premiere of Red Dragon in New York City. I asked him if he was finished with Lecter. He told me that when writing a story, and developing a charachter you must have a beginning a middle and an end. SOTL and Hannibal were the middle to end... and to quote Mr Harris he stated that the flashbacks involving Mischa were just a "glimpse" of the beginning, and he winked at me.
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by - lucasaccardo
Sure, your sister knows Hopkins and Harris talks to you and winks at you.
Yeah...
And Gaspard Uliell still does not look anything like any lecter in any version in any age , in anything.
"The exact same ears" , that was hilarious, i am satisfied now, they have the exact same ears, that will do.
Jesus, i can picture me and my friends in the movie theatre , now i know what my argument it's gonna be.
"Hey this kid does not look anything like Lecter!"
"Wait for the ear shot...you'll see..."
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by - frisksten
Why didnt they find a actor how looks more like Anthony Hopkins (but younger)??!!
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by - lucasaccardo
Yeah , That's what i am trying to explain to this jerks...but hey, they not only seem to like this kid, they are like militating for this guy, like they where gonna to get paid part of his salary or something.
I don't kow , it's insane...

Anyhow what i do have to admit his, if casting a guy that looks like a cute fashion model to play a young psycho is cool ,then i have nothing to do with movies any more, i've just outgrowned them, you know what i mean?

Like at some point those who grew watching Jason and the Argonauts disliked the way special efects where done in the eighties,and those who grew up watching Back to the future disliked Computer Generated Images.
I for instance grew up when they casted people that look like the caracthers they play ( Reeve -Superman,Guinnes-Hittler to name fiction and non fiction)
and now that they cast Brando Routh to play Superman ,and this Ulliel to play Lecter ,well can't just figure it out.
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отредактировано: 24-02-2006 02:18 - Bird on the wire

Bird on the wire
02:07 24-02-2006
by - gary10711
"lucasaccardo." You don't have a clue dude. You can't even understand a sarcastic remark. I can send you pictures of my sister and Hopkins if you like jerk.

Have you seen Ulliel act?

Who would you cast, other than "SOMEONE WHO LOOKS LIKE HOPKINS." "SOMEONE WHO LOOKS LIKE HOPKINS." "SOMEONE WHO LOOKS LIKE HOPKINS."

Yes, I was at the prem. of Red Dragon in New York City. Yes, I did meet Anthony Hopkins, Thomas Harris, Brett Ratner, and Ed Norton.

LOOKS have nothing to do with acting ability jerk.

Since you wish to cast someone who "Looks like Hopkins." Name someone please, with all of your insight and disbelief at the words others say.
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by - gary10711
Just to let you know, it wasn't even me being sarcastic to you. And, wasn't it you who called everyone in here "these jerks?" I've reported your abusive message to IMDB.
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by - lucasaccardo
Look ,i'm gonna try hard to reply wihtout gross words since seem to affect you guys so much, but it's gonna be a big effort you know why ?
Because people like this gary and you judging by this last reply are obiouvsly trying hard not to see the point of my "opinion" as you say, probably because of some stupid concer in "win" the argument.

I've wrote several times that i don't give a damn about how great an actor Ulliel is, he could be the greatest actor ever , i whish him nothig but luck in his life and a carrer full of success!
Ok? Can we move over that now?
I was always in the first place and now talking about that he doesn't look nothing like Hopkins Lecter a psycho or anything near that. The looks not the actor skills.
Ok ?Is it clear now?
Now,if anyone replies to this telling me that the ears of Gaspard are exactly the same as Hopkins's and that he will do just fine because he won this big fancy award, i bet not even you could blame me if i respond "inadequatley" .

Regarding my choice for a young Hannibal,well who know's?
Why is my lack of knowledge about young actors supose to invalidate my point?
Am i a casting agent? NO.
Anynow this seems to be my biggest flaw here,so i'd go whit Lee Turnbull
here's a pic of him http://www.nynex.cwc.net/images/lee-turnbull-02.jpg
he is a young english actor and his face looks vaguely like he could grow up to an adult man somehow resembling Hopkins,just enough to make it feel fair.
But hey , keep in mind that i don't give a damn about this guy ,is just somone that i quickly picked up as i told you before i do not do castings ,it is not my job.
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by - gary10711
When you pass the age of 10, maybe we'll chat.
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by - lucasaccardo
Who's talking to you?
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by - frisksten
"When you pass the age of 10, maybe we'll chat."

The only thing he wants to say is that it would be better with a actor that LOOKS MORE LIKE ANTHONY HOPKINS, BUT YOUNGER. This unknown actor Gaspard, doesnt looks like hopkins at all.

(Im just happy that he has the same skin-color lol...)

Maybe Gaspard is a good actor, maybe not (that is like to say there are good teacher and bad teachers, but usually there are no big difference). In this case the appearance is more important.

[I hope I wrote it correctly. Im from Sweden.]
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by - lucasaccardo
i am glad that somoeone as finally seen my point, but i was obiouvsly talking to childs.
I thought i was the last logical thinking person left.
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by - ugocagnolini-1
This IS a movie about Young Hannibal Lecter with the face of ANTONY HOPKINS , it is a movie that follows that continuity,there is even the possibility that Hopkins woluld be narrating as Hannibal recalls is youth.
So, i don't know if you are in love with Ulliel or what but stop talking absurdities and nonsenses .
This guy is hoplessly miscast in the role of young Hannibal Lecter, period.
Oh and that thing about "Same exact ears, same hair ,same eye color" it's ridiculous! A woman would match those "similarities"!
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by - frisksten
he, yeah that's true.
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отредактировано: 24-02-2006 02:17 - Bird on the wire

Bird on the wire
02:14 24-02-2006
by - vesa_karppinen-1
Ulliel LOOKS like Hopkins you moron.
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by - vesa_karppinen-1
His eyes, forehead, smile and not to mention ears look like Hopkins'. What you don't seem to understand that peoples look change as they get older.
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by - lucasaccardo
Oh yes let us not forget the ears , it's been pointed out actually already!
The Ears are exactly the same!
Jesus...
You even go ahead by mentioning his forehead!
Man...that is so stupid! Do you read what you write before posting it?
Do you people actually make an argument about a person similarities to another based on his EARS? I mean it is serious? beacause i swear , i can't believe it .
I refuse to think that somone would seriously say something as idiotic as "Not to mention his ears".
As another user stated," "Same exact ears, same hair ,same eye color" it's ridiculous! A woman would match those "similarities"!
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by - mdominik
I have the distinct feeling that a lot of the reaction against Gaspard Ulliel comes from anglophones who have never seen him act (i.e. people referring to him as "This unknown actor Gaspard"...or people suggesting Tobey McGuire, Matt Damon, etc., for the role--actors who don't fit at all the profile of the character...). Gaspard Ulliel may not be a name on the tips of everyone's toungue, but he is an astonishingly good actor. He has the intensity to play Hannibal. I think we need to give the guy a chance to do his job.
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by - lucasaccardo
Like i told so many imdb users before, i don't care if the guy is known or unknown,as a matter of fact not being known is actually a good thing for this character, i don't care if he is an astonishingly good actor he could act better than Brando Duvall and HAckman put togheter for that matter.
He is hoplessly miscast as Hannibal Lecter ... i wrote this too many times in other replys already read them if you are at all interested in why i made this tread and why i think so.
By the way i would never suggest Tobey McGuire or Matt Damon, i think those are terrible options ,not liking the Ulliel choice at all i would even go for him before Damon or McGuire.
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by - gary10711
Why not give this project a chance? The novel has not even been published yet. Why bash repeatedly on something that not one of has yet to see, and insult others beacause they think it has potential?
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